with anyone but michelle obama. so how big a deal is this and what should we be looking for, do you think? >> i think you want to look at the body language between them. i think they've developed a great working relationship after battling each other in the 2008 campaign. you look for them to project a strong message to the world, especially iran, north korea. and other perceived threats around the globe. >> you know they'll ask him, would you vote for him in 2016. so that's a question i'm waiting for. let's talk about secretary clinton's testimony on benghazi. you write this would be her last scandal with scandal in quotation marks. talk about that, matthew. >> well, you know, ever since she and bill clinton got to washington in 1993, there's been one scandal, in quotation marks, after another, most of which have proven to be not really scandalous at all. there was, you know, the suicide of her friend and former law partner vince foster who was the white house counsel. big investigation into whether anything nefari